Dr. Travis Parry (00:01.927)
Welcome to another episode of the Bounce Girl show. I'm your host, Dr. Travis Perry. Hey, today we have in studio with us, George Hayworth. George is first and foremost, a proud husband and father. He's a combat veteran and founder of elite Sentinel coaching where he forges leaders and builds legacies. George is also the co-founder and co-host of the present fathers podcast.

which aims to help men become better family leaders and share the stories of outstanding fathers. Man, I honestly can't think of a better guest to have right now. Thank you for being so willing to share with us your time and your story. And let's start right there. What, how'd you get here? What made you say, all right, I'm going to start a podcast. I'm going to coaching. I'm going to coach other dads. so needed and you and I know this, but let's talk about how you got here, my friend.

George Hayworth (00:55.47)
Yeah, well first, thank you so much for having me on. It's a real pleasure to be here and I'll try and do this in the Cliff Notes version. But, you know, kind of grew up typical, you know, 90s kid lifestyle. Really had an early good childhood, but things really started to kind of become problematic when I was a teenager. My parents got divorced when I was 16. So I kind of became very emotionally charged and kind of all over the place. Had a lot of insecurities.

And my coping mechanism became defensiveness, try and squash a threat before it can harm me and try and prove myself everywhere I go. And in reality, all I did was make a lot of people not like me, right? So that was kind of later on in childhood, those habits started to form. 9-11 happened when I was in seventh grade. That was obviously a pretty pivotal moment in my young life. And I knew I wanted to serve in the military in some way.

Very long story short, I ended up joining the Army ROTC, went to college, got my degree, commissioned as a field artillery officer, and I was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division, where I quickly deployed to Afghanistan. So my early professional life moved pretty fast, thrown right into the frying pan, but really loved the Army. It taught me a lot of great things and met my wife, got married, started a family, kind of decided the active duty lifestyle was probably not conducive to

what I wanted for my family. And so that seemed like a good idea to leave active duty and join the corporate world and get a high paying job and we can settle down and not have to move so much and things like that. But in reality, all those insecurities and all these things I really didn't learn as a young man that really makes a good man set me up kind of to fail here because

The only thing that made me feel like a man was the Army. I had put all of my identity into this one thing that overnight was gone. And there was a lot of other issues which maybe we'll get into here in more depth, but we were also struggling in our marriage. There was a lot going on there that I was ill-equipped to handle, especially emotionally. And what I failed to learn then that I know now is...

George Hayworth (03:07.212)
one of the strongest things a husband can do for his wife and for, you know, as a father for his children is to have emotional regulation, to be able to handle stressful things and to be the voice of reason and to stay calm and to not pass blame and things like that. that was not me in those moments. joined the corporate world, worked there for almost a decade before eventually I felt this very strong calling to leave that line of work and ultimately follow for me, I'm a man of faith.

I felt God was calling me in a direction to start using the talents and gifts that he gave me for better use, for what I like to call more kingdom work. realized that the way I was living my life, the things I was doing and spending my time were not in accordance with what that calling is. And so I had a lot of good people around me at the time to give me wise counsel and advice. And lo and behold, I started my own company called Elite Sentinel Coaching. And the why I do what I do is because

I glossed over a great deal there, but for a good 10 years of my life, maybe longer, it was very turbulent and very chaotic, and really I was my own worst enemy. You know, we can blame all these causes of how I was disadvantaged here or there or whatever, but at the end of the day, I was passing the buck instead of saying, where do I need to grow? And when I finally stopped passing the buck and took ownership for myself and started actually seeking accountability and growth, everything changed for me positively. My marriage is stronger.

My presence as a father is better. I'm more successful in my career. I'm more fulfilled in my relationships, whether it's a friendship or a business relationship. Life just got a lot better when I stopped shooting myself in the foot. So I wanted to take those skills and experiences that I had developed the hard way and teach men how to take them the easy way and rapidly apply them into their lives so that they wouldn't suffer. And ultimately we can make a generational impact across the country, you because I believe if you invest in men and they start leading their families stronger.

Dr. Travis Parry (04:44.753)
Hmm.

George Hayworth (05:03.916)
that the ripple effect of that is just greater than anything else we can do. So hopefully that answered the question as rapidly as possible, but that's me in a nutshell.

Dr. Travis Parry (05:12.006)
You did a great job. have a beautiful family and you know what impressed about this story and hearing other men who kind of they own up to their responsibility of, I was this and I was not where I should be has a lot of, a lot of sameness in my story. you know, I hit a point where that was similar and there's a lot of guests on this show who, who, when, know, they mentioned that.

And, and being a dad and being a father like that, that's not the cool thing to do. That's not the ego thing to do. That is very much a mature thing. And so I appreciate you for bringing that up and telling us about your story. so cool that you're, you felt called to do this. And I do believe that as well. You know, I'm man of God myself and, I believe that when we follow what God wants us to do, we will feel that purpose and we will fill those voids. So.

Well done. I appreciate you sharing that. So with, with, being a present father, like tell us what, what are some of the biggest issues that you think fathers face right now? You have your show, you're doing your coaching with, with dads everywhere. what do you see as like the biggest problem that dads are facing right now?

George Hayworth (06:31.438)
I think the number one problem, it's not specific to fathers, although it absolutely affects them as well, is quite frankly, I think most men just don't know what it means to be a man anymore. We don't understand what masculine leadership actually looks like, what it actually means. And there's a lot of fingers to point, right? There's a lot of things we could blame. There's feminism and cultural influences and things like that. But at the end of the day, I think most men are really hungry to do a good job. They want to be a good husband. They want to be a good father. They have no idea where to even get started. And then when they do try,

they're almost punished for attempting to lead and make that impact. So, you for me, I would almost call it a crisis of identity. And I think it stems to just all men, all modern men in general in this country are really lost when it comes to who am I, why am I the way that I am, and what should I actually be doing, you know, regardless of what naysayers say, what should I really be doing? And I think that I have found to be, we solve that problem first.

And anything else, whether it's business or marriage or fatherhood or any of these other endeavors that men care about, they kind of fall in line a lot quicker when you grow that understanding first.

Dr. Travis Parry (07:38.665)
Yeah. Well, well said. Yeah. No, I think it's well, well said there about, you know, um, there is an identity as a society that I think, uh, I believe in the pendulum. And so I've seen this happen. I studied sociology, seen like the pendulum was kind of swinging really far to the other side right now. Uh, like, well, this is masculinity and we're trying to define it or that it's toxic. Now it's bad. And, now we're really, I'm

George Hayworth (07:39.182)
I don't know if he had any follow up to that. Try to be succinct.

George Hayworth (07:58.99)
Thank you.

Dr. Travis Parry (08:08.082)
finding there's a, there's a swing back the other direction towards, Hey, we've lost it. And now look at society. Look what's going on to society because we've lost this. what, what do you, what do you think has been some of the biggest maybe downfalls or, repercussions of men losing identity in society?

George Hayworth (08:10.55)
More that.

George Hayworth (08:18.411)
Right.

George Hayworth (08:29.676)
Yeah, so I think bottom line, when dad gets home, dad sets the tone. I learned that from a man named Travis Richie, a really good way to think about it. But I mean, what is leadership really? If we boil down leadership to its most basic thing, it's influence, right? Because the leader is influencing others to a more positive outcome. Well, who is supposed to do that for a family? It's the man. Fair or not, it's our responsibility as the husband and father to set the tone and set conditions for everyone else in the household to be successful.

is ultimately real leadership. Now, if you don't even know how to start doing that, how on earth is your family going to succeed? No wonder divorce rates are so high. No wonder why there's all these fatherless homes and things, because I think there's a lot of well-meaning men who have subscribed to things like Happy Wife, Happy Life, and they're not actually leading anything, and so it's just causing turmoil and stress and problems, and they compound upon each other. so...

Where I start with men to teach them the most fundamentals of this and then you have to apply it with wisdom into the context of your life is what I call the four pillars of authentic masculinity. And so it's king, warrior, mentor, and friend. Now to your point, this pendulum swinging, a real good man is balanced. He is not a brute and tyrant. He's not just a nice guy. He is sometimes one or the other when the situation calls for it, right? So very quickly through these pillars, king is essential leadership. Men are built for it, like I said.

You are called to lead your family, full stop. Next one is the warrior. It's in defense of the innocent, to protect the innocent. And most threats today are not with physical violence. They are on the internet, they're on TV, they're what your kids are hearing at school, what's printed in books that they're allowed to read in libraries and things like that. So, you where are the men standing up to say enough's enough? We should be defending the innocent. The next one is mentor. We have a knack for training. Men get really excited when you actually.

find someone who's interested, you pass on a skill and develop them. And by the way, mankind kind of needs that to happen so that we can continue to grow and improve generation to generation. So that's again, one of our responsibilities, but it's also fulfilling as a man to pour yourself out for others in that way. It's a great way to serve others. And then the final one is in my opinion, the least utilized pillar of manhood and that's the friend and lover pillar. And ultimately you are driven from a place of love and compassion for others. Now I didn't understand this, right? Old George,

George Hayworth (10:51.553)
The soldier, the officer, the combat vet was all king and all warrior and no love, right? And so I overcorrected to this alpha male, you know, door kicker mentality, which is not very conducive to having a successful family, right? So George had to learn how to soften himself. Other guys are the other way, right? They're all love and they're super nice and they really care about everyone, but they're a pushover. So they never hold boundaries. That's problematic for a family. You should hold standards and boundaries to protect your family.

They need to strengthen. like finally to wrap this up with the pendulum, not every situation needs me to be the warrior. Not every situation needs me to be the friend. If there is a hostile threat, they are getting the warrior with my family, with my friends in this conversation right now. It's much more the friend and lover pillar, right? So that's a very comprehensive way to look at what is authentic masculinity because that is timeless, quite frankly. Those traits, those principles that I just listed, regardless of what era you find yourself in.

If you balance those things well, you will start to become a real leader among men and you will create that influence that people are craving for. And we all know it, right? When there's a crisis situation and someone steps up and just takes action and solves it, everyone goes, thank God. That's what more men should be doing. But we've been hamstrung, we're afraid of judgment, so we let the opinions of others isolate us and lock us in place. So we're basically just kind of drifting through life.

And then that causes a whole slew of issues because we know deep down I should be taking action, but I'm staying still. And so on and on it goes, down the spiral we go. So hopefully that answered the question well.

Dr. Travis Parry (12:29.584)
Yeah, very well. Yeah. I'm proponent of balance, proponent of connection in marriage. you know, what you mentioned earlier about happy wife, happy life, not that we're going to focus in on that, but it has become such a society thing that we just have all accepted it. I've heard it preached in church. I've seen it on, you know, everywhere on social media that it's allowed like this, this idea, it's a total myth. Yes. You want your spouse to be happy.

George Hayworth (12:42.316)
Mm-hmm.

George Hayworth (12:49.26)
Mm-hmm.

George Hayworth (12:59.245)
course.

Dr. Travis Parry (12:59.456)
but you know, both needs need to be met. It's a relationship. It's a covenant relationship. And when the two of you are looking out for each other, so we'll, we'll get into it maybe on your podcast, but that's why I wrote my second book, Marion Crullerich. This is all about how do we work together? Why are we doing this alone? So I love that you added that. And I know that the old George would be proud of you now. like that's, it's fantastic. And,

George Hayworth (13:15.245)
That's right. Right.

Dr. Travis Parry (13:28.998)
Yeah, I think too, like your training is so imperative. We need men to protect, families. need men to protect society, but we also need, masculine men to protect femininity. And we need to realize that both are needed in a society and that children, they do best when they have a mom and dad in the home.

George Hayworth (13:36.801)
Mm-hmm.

George Hayworth (13:45.185)
Mm-hmm, correct.

George Hayworth (13:55.757)
100%.

Dr. Travis Parry (13:56.412)
traditional family under attack for decades now is still proving over and over again to be the best unit of society. So man, you're speaking my language. I'm loving this. All right. So if we were to say, George, if there's one thing in your framework and your four pillars, tell us like, is it? What's the one thing that's the most important thing out of all of those and why

George Hayworth (14:06.028)
Right.

George Hayworth (14:22.519)
So I think the most important thing men need to do is take a look in the mirror. We're really good about explaining away why things aren't going well for us. I was certainly that guy. I had an answer and a justification for everything. But really just pause for a minute, take a look in the mirror, and really ask yourself, am I actually doing all the things that I claim to do or?

Am I really doing the things that will produce the results of the guy I want to be? And so that would ultimately be the first challenge here to force that look in the mirror. Ask yourself this question. If you died right now, would anyone even show up to your funeral? And if they did, what do you hope they would say and what would they actually say? And the gap between those two things is your answer, When you can honestly look at that question, that list of results, and that won't feel good.

you'll know really clearly where I need to start growing. Okay, so like I said, some of us need to strengthen, some of us need to soften. George needed to soften. George needed to learn empathy and patience and understanding, right? Not everything is a combat operation, right? Whatever your struggle is, that self-awareness is the most critical thing I think all men can do because when you finally get honest with yourself, you can then start to work with the right people who have the skill set to improve that area for you.

You are not going to solve it on your own. There is no such thing as a self-made man. The lone wolf gets eaten. He starves alone in the wilderness. You need a pack. You need a tribe. Men are pack animals. We are designed for deep connection with other strong men, strong in different ways, right? Intellectual, physical, all of it. You need a tribe of diverse people around you to hold you accountable and help you grow. That's for me would be step number one.

Dr. Travis Parry (16:09.126)
Yeah, it's so great. I was just seeing a video yesterday about men all around the world, basically videoing themselves saying they asked the question, if I had to call someone, who would I call that cared? And so many are like, no one, like not a soul, not a single person.

George Hayworth (16:28.481)
Hmm.

George Hayworth (16:32.737)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (16:35.772)
And there's a reason why men are five times more likely to commit suicide between the ages of like 35 and 55. and there's so much depression and mental health issues, mental health crisis for men. There's a guy going across the United States, you know, walking across the U S for men's mental health and then following him a little bit. I talk about this in my book, achieving balance about how we tend to then kind of, fall into this trap of workaholism.

George Hayworth (16:53.655)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (17:04.732)
And that's, that's one, that's one way men do it. what, what are some of the, what are some of the issues why men maybe aren't able to do this? What are some of the things that you've noticed that prevent them from, from really making that connection?

George Hayworth (17:21.397)
A very common thing I see, and we hear this in every single cohort we run of our program, is I thought I was the only one. The world has convinced men that you are the only one with your problem. In reality, we all care about about the same three things, right? We wanna make money and provide, we wanna have intimacy with our wives, and we wanna like have memories with our kids, right? Outside of that, it's all kinda just cherries on top, but all men want about the same few things, but we have.

convinced ourselves that because of whatever our differences in background or what we did for work or something that were like these unicorn creatures that are all different from one another. And in reality, like I can connect with pretty much any guy from any walk of life on very common things that we all really care about. And when we get honest about that, this self-perceived, self-inflicted prison we put ourselves in of I'm the only one.

when you erode that away, it becomes a lot easier to kind of find the hope and strength to overcome adversity. So that, number one, has been a huge crippler for the men that I've tried to help and have seen. It's that idea that you're alone. We are very common. We all struggle with very similar things. And maybe you've done worse things than someone else. If you are honestly meeting in the middle for how to help each other, no one actually cares.

Everyone has their own pain, their own problems that they're all worried about. They're not like, microscoping on yours, okay? They're just looking for other honest people doing their best to try and improve. You meet guys like that, a lot falls into place pretty quickly. But the other ones I've seen is the identity problem that I refer to in myself. It's making the false equivalency that what you do for work or what your profession is or status somehow equals value. And they're not the same, right?

If you are a good, strong man who builds his value, whatever you do outwardly, maybe it's profession or charity or something, you're pouring from a place of abundance and you're just doing these things because you have the capability and desire to, it doesn't make you anything. If you lost all that, you would still be a good man. When you flip that, and it's very easy for us as men to get tied into my status and work or career or achievements equals I'm a good man now.

George Hayworth (19:36.972)
That is a very slippery slope because the second something goes off course, you will crumple. And I certainly did. You know, I'm the king of the frauds here. When I was wearing a mask, fooling everyone. I'm this tough army officer. I'm successful. I'm all these things. And deep down, I was just a scared little kid hoping that he wouldn't get found out. Right. I was, I was the king of lies. So you pull that away and really stripped down to, well, what am I really outside of work?

What I really care about, what am I actually doing to build something of value? And I think where you have to elevate your thinking about this is this legacy-minded thinking. What am I actually producing on this earth? What am I actually leaving behind for others? And I'll take it one step further. There's a quote I really love about legacy. It says, legacy isn't leaving something for people. It's leaving something in people. And that's by Peter Strobel. But if you think about that, what are you doing with your time, your precious time and energy?

to invest in the most important people in your life, that when you're gone, those ripple effects are still happening. It ain't your job, It ain't my rank in the army. It isn't the status of your bank account. It's those precious moments you have with the most important people in your life. And you start with that and re-identify yourself based off of those types of things and thinking in that long-term legacy mindset.

work and all this other stuff, all the rat race that we get, know, my grass isn't cut as good as the neighbors, I better go fix it. You stop caring about those kinds of things because you realize how unimportant they really are.

Dr. Travis Parry (21:09.479)
Yeah.

Yeah. Well said. Well said. Yeah. I remember when that hit me super hard after my dad died, uh, 49, he was two weeks from 50 and I was like, man, like what, what if I only live, live to 50? And we talk about, what if I died today? I was like, okay, that's probably not going to happen. But what if I only lived to 50? Would I be as successful as him? What I do think? And then I started looking into like, well, what does God really want me to do?

George Hayworth (21:29.442)
Yeah.

George Hayworth (21:41.143)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (21:41.583)
And what do I need to make changes in me right now to get there? So yeah, I, I, I really had a, you know, a moment to come to Jesus moment where it's like, okay, let's make some changes. What if guys want to make changes there, there, there, listen to this. They're following other guys out there who saying, yes, you need to be the leader. Yes. You need to connect with your spouse. You need to be not just this, you know, hard, you know, dude that, that can

George Hayworth (21:51.436)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (22:10.865)
try to push through every pain, but you really need the connection and you need the balance. What do you suggest that they do? What are a couple of things that they can do right now to start making those changes?

George Hayworth (22:24.023)
Well, you can certainly reach out to me now. In honesty, I would start with brotherhood. If you have no real masculine friendships, and I'm talking like you elevate your conversation beyond the football game and how many beers you drink, okay? If that's the extent of your male friendships, that is probably your biggest issue because you have no one to actually connect with that is a safe outlet for you. And let me just play this out a little bit. Let's say you're having an issue with your spouse.

Well, you can't go work it out with your spouse right up front, potentially, depending on the severity of the issue. You need an outlet to be like, Hey brother, I'm thinking about this, this, and this. And he'll be like, why don't you tone that down actually, you know, now you can go back to your wife and be productive. If you don't have anyone to have those types of conversations, no wonder you feel like crap right now. I mean, I know what that's like because I was me. That was me. I, I intentionally isolated everyone who could possibly hold me accountable out of my life because I was, you know, sniffing my own,

stink there, right? So brotherhood, would say step one. If you don't have any good friends like that, you need to go make one. I know that may sound scary, but no amount of my coaching or books you read or that kind of stuff will help if you are living in a vacuum, isolated and cut off from any real connection. You need some brothers who can connect with you on the things that really matter and you will see how much energy that really gives you. Then from there, I would really think about those four pillars and how that relates to, you building the legacy you want?

when you start to prioritize what really matters for you, setting some of these long-term goals, understanding that you may not perfectly hit the mark, right? So for me, you know, I've got this vision of what my life will look like and when I'm on my deathbed, all the things I'll have accomplished and memories I've created with my family, of course, that's the goal. It doesn't necessarily mean I'm gonna perfectly do them all, but in the short term, I evaluate, does this pursuit or does this thing actually get me closer to that end state? And if the answer is no, I don't do it.

I gave up drinking. That was the easiest decision I've ever made. Because it was just very obvious to me that, this is a vice that just has no room in my current push to be better. And it wasn't like I'm some awesome person or whatever. It just became a very binary equation for me of that thing doesn't produce result I want. And so when you start to view life like that as a man, it becomes pretty easy to start pushing away distractions. And, you know, that is a major issue today. Your phone is everywhere.

George Hayworth (24:51.213)
Social media this football game that you know There's so many distractions to take you off course of being a man on a mission that it may seem fun in the moment but then that misery just compounds because you don't have purpose you're not actually moving on anything you're proud of and That void just continues to build so to recap that brotherhood think about the four pillars building a real legacy and removing distractions

Dr. Travis Parry (25:18.811)
Yeah. So well said. I relate to those, know, I've, I've got friends who, we go vacation together. We mountain bike together. and I do come from a family of five boys. So like we have, we have some, what have a brotherhood there, but, know, sometimes we, we were so similar. We knock heads too much, but it's nice to have friends that aren't the same genetics and the same household.

George Hayworth (25:34.902)
Okay.

George Hayworth (25:38.597)
yeah.

George Hayworth (25:43.275)
Right.

George Hayworth (25:47.297)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (25:49.107)
But I'm seeing this a lot now. I'm seeing a lot of dads groups pop up. I'm seeing a lot of these like, Hey, we just, we need to get together. And there's a lot of truth to that. But you know, you're also mentioning these other steps that I think are equally as important, which is, which is awesome. What are some of the outcomes that you've seen guys that are able to go through your framework? You know, what are maybe some

George Hayworth (25:56.749)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (26:16.376)
Of the most outstanding, know, we can talk about case studies, but a couple of like the, the, real effects that you see when, men start to really focus on these four pillars.

George Hayworth (26:24.129)
Mm-hmm.

George Hayworth (26:27.713)
The quickest and most common win we see from virtually every single man who comes through the program is by about week two or three, like you see them when they join the calls, their shoulders are held back, their head is high, they have confidence again and they're like, man, I feel good about myself for the first time in decades, right? That's a very common trait and that's just from getting in motion, right?

We live in this world of analysis paralysis and you know talk about this and think about that. It's like man just get moving. You get a couple easy wins. It's amazing how much better you start to feel about yourself right. We are creatures of physicality of doing right. Even if you are a very cerebral man you're still formed from the mud right. God made Adam from the dirt. So we are at our heart a little bit rough around the edges right. So we learn and validate ourselves by doing very quickly. So that's a very common thing.

Marriages just start to improve drastically through our program. Again, when men step up and just start doing some basic leadership actions, it's not like you have to go and have these hard conversations with your wife and convince her to sleep with you more. It's like, no man, she's gonna want to when you start showing up as a man again. It's amazing how this works. We make it very complex, but it's like, hey, just go do the right thing because you're a good man who does the right thing, period, and doesn't need to be like nagged at.

It's amazing how differently your wife starts to treat you. So some of the stuff is pretty simple. That's a very common one, right? Some guys have some very serious issues going on and we help them navigate those. So those are kind of the more hard fought wins of there is some marital strife there and they overcome it and really get to a new level and their wives will even talk about how much different things are now. We've had many guys get promoted at work.

Again, leadership's universal, right? It gets recognized everywhere you go. So you start to grow in these pillars and start learning how to set healthy boundaries, deal with difficult people, and create good solutions. People at work like that too. So it's not just in your marriage. Those are three of the most common things we see. Guys, they'll lose some weight, they'll get physically fit again, they feel good about how they look and how they feel, but then from an emotional kind of confidence point of view.

George Hayworth (28:36.921)
they really skyrocket significantly because after our initial kind of education period, we really get tactical on putting things in motion. And we draw upon things I learned from the military and some of these hard earned lessons that I've gained, but actionizing it for daily life for them to take advantage of. And like I said, when you just get in motion, the early wins just start to compound so fast. It's like, man, I don't know why I ever didn't do this in the first place. Like I'm just gonna continue mission here and.

Lo and behold, it's all working out better. So hopefully I answered the question fully, maybe you're listening to this and you're like, that couldn't possibly be me. I assure you, you're not that special, right? Like I thought, you know, my problems were all the, there's no way I can heal this and I'm a lost cause and everything. It's not true, man. Like you come join something like us, you let down your guard, you humble yourself a little bit just to take some instruction. You can certainly get back in motion and start winning again very quickly. It really doesn't take that long.

Dr. Travis Parry (29:38.281)
Well said. If people want to get in touch with you and learn more about what you do, how can they find you, George?

George Hayworth (29:45.257)
The website is theelitsentinel.com. I'm on all the socials too. I'm most active on X and LinkedIn. It's just George Hayworth. can look me up. That's the easiest way. You know, you have some questions, you want to message me, shoot me a DM on whatever platform you prefer. If I'm a little slow to get back to you, I apologize, but that's the simplest way. We have an application too on the website. So if you're curious and want to learn more, just fill that out. We'll set up a discovery call and we'll see if this is the right fit for you.

get you a plan of action to get in motion.

Dr. Travis Parry (30:18.245)
Thanks for being here. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, your experience. It's always so nice to have others who are doing great work out there. Sharon, you know, the message of, of being a present dad and being a leader in your home and in at work in the community, it's, it really is time to, to change and flip this around, make that pendulum swing back to where it needs to be. So, you know, I, I don't actually mind.

when society changes. The reason being is now I can see a lot of times how we'll kind of go the other direction for a while. And then we'll hopefully realize the folly of our ways and say, man, we've, we've really blown it. How much better life was when we had it back the other way. So I'm excited for this shift that's coming back and glad you're a part of it. So good to rub shoulders with you virtually.

George Hayworth (31:00.041)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (31:16.266)
And guys, if you've loved this show, please like, share, subscribe, do all the things. And thank you, George, for being here.

George Hayworth (31:23.543)
Thank you so much.

Dr. Travis Parry (31:25.89)
​Absolutely. Until next time, remember, live life on purpose together.