Dr. Travis Parry (00:01.39)
Welcome to another episode of the Travis Parry show. I'm your host, Dr. Travis Parry. Today I have a real treat for all of you. A good friend of mine, Trevor Blondeel. He's a professional speaker, certified executive coach and the founder of manufacturing greatness. After 25 years on the shop floor and in plant leadership, he now works with manufacturing leaders at companies like Nestle, Newcore.

and Magna to build teams that perform under pressure and stick around. He hosts the manufacturing greatness podcast and is the author of the upcoming book by the same name built around three conversations every leader needs to have, but most never do. Trevor, welcome to the show, my friend.

Trevor (00:49.21)
Thank you, Dr. Travis Parry.

Dr. Travis Parry (00:52.374)
Yeah, absolutely. So cool. I love connecting with my heroic public speaking friends out there. I know some of you have been on my show and I've been on yours and such a great honor to connect with you and learn from you. So tell us, how did you go from shop floor to now being an executive coach for business leaders all over the place?

Trevor (01:20.218)
Well, there's a point Travis, where I was running the plants, but trying to also be a good family man as you and I have talked about and the importance of balancing that, which I learned a lot from you. But before I met you, I was struggling with that a lot. And I just remember being at the skating rink, my daughter doing figure skating and the laptop opened, you know? And then all of sudden I hear, hey dad, it's time to go. And like, I kind of look up and I missed it.

Right? Like it was a practice, but it was just that memorable moment of like, what am I doing? Right? Like that's when I kind of started leaning in and saying, you know, learning more about emotional intelligence, self-awareness. And, know, I got those old leathery shop floor boots, but like my feet were still in them right when I'm at the rink. And that was one of the first times I kind of realized that this isn't who I want to be. This isn't actually who I am.

It's just the behaviors that I started to follow because, you know, we were saving lives. We thought we were, but we're just, making parts, right? And then I just, you know, just started to get disconnected from that. So that kind of started my journey on the whole self-development, mindfulness. I started meditating, you know, started reading more and really started looking at like, how am I showing up? And, you know, I talk about people's perceptions versus my intentions and I had a disconnect.

Dr. Travis Parry (02:47.906)
Yeah. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate you being vulnerable and tell us a little bit about your backstory there. And I'm glad that something that we've talked about or, you know, has stuck a little bit about balance and you're thinking about meditation. I find that a lot of business owners, they reach back to a point, something that's been a catalyst for them. And that's kind of what you described. This is this catalyst, this moment that is, is very clear.

Trevor (03:14.522)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (03:16.826)
and it's likely that you've had some other thoughts subconsciously, but maybe you've pushed them aside. Maybe you just ignored them for a bit, but for whatever reason, like having that wake up call that slap in the face per se, really helped you to kind of get, get, get going. sounds like.

Trevor (03:35.546)
Yeah. You know, and I started to become a better leader, but I still struggled at home. And so in 2016, within three months, I ended up quitting my job of, you know, almost 20 years, got divorced, moved countries, started a business, all in a lot of debt because I was trying to, you know, fix my marriage by just giving more like financially, right? Like more trips, fancier.

stuff, right? And I was just chasing something that wasn't there. that was like that whole, you know, I had so many different of those moments around us. And that was the big one, right? Where I was like, okay, I wasn't talking to my parents as much because of conflict, you know, within family. And it was just like, not liking who I am, like how I do today, right? And when I say that, I say like, just, I know I have faults, but I've just made some hard choices because I knew I was in the wrong spot.

And it was like, okay, you're happy when you're just yourself, right? And there's that balance of being yourself and then understanding how other people are going to experience you. And I think that turned into my model of work, my model of life, and just kind of who I am. I think that I just leaned into manufacturing because that's what I knew. And I've been in all those shoes that you're trying to manage a family.

but then you're also got a career and I think you can have both. I know you can have both and I know you do. So you're a great role model of that.

Dr. Travis Parry (05:13.175)
Well, thank you. and you're exactly right. I've interviewed thousands of business owners who have figured out how to have both in a very healthy way. And, know, it sounds like you've gone through, quite the struggle, quite a, quite a, you know, internal battle there, spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, financially, even as you've mentioned, which, when we make change, a lot of people think, I'm just going to make change in this one area of your life.

Trevor (05:35.032)
Yeah. Yep.

Dr. Travis Parry (05:42.414)
That's not how it works. Human development tells us it's very clear. Like if you make a financial change, well, it's likely gonna affect your health and it might affect your physical and mental health. then, well, how does that emotionally change who you are and relationally? it eventually will touch all aspects of life. So I appreciate you sharing this. What kind of niche are you in right now? What are the?

Trevor (05:43.994)
No!

Dr. Travis Parry (06:10.337)
Businesses, you you talked about some of the big businesses that you've been helping But who do you help now and what is it that they're really struggling with?

Trevor (06:19.481)
Hmm. Lots of subtitle in my book, which is build teams that work together, get results and stick around. And that is a subtitle because that's what we struggle with. And it's just that whole, you know, it requires more conversations. And I talk about these three gaps that are, you know, my framework, but it's kind of my framework in life too, right? Cause as you know, I've had some struggles with my son and you know, he had some...

you know, drinking problems and we had some relationship problems and now he's five years sober and he's going to school and he's now in university. You know, uh, he's got a part-time job as a caseworker at at a rehabilitation place. And, and him and I still have some, some head butts once in a while, but like, we also kind of like three questions, right? Like, how am I showing up? And that's a, that's that first gap, right? So it's like, you know, what, what, what, what are you taking from this conversation? When I started to feel that conflict, right? And then the other one is.

So my dad passed away just this year and he moved in with my mom. so now we've got these different roles, right? And he's there, but I live in Kentucky, but I'm back to Canada every other week or I'm spending more time in Canada now because of that. And it's like, so if we get into an argument, maybe it's about her medication or just something that's like, well, what were you expecting from me?

here's what I was expecting from you. And I find if we can have those conversations upfront of what do we expect from each other after we understand how we're showing up. So like, am I showing up with judgment or am I showing up with curiosity? And I know that you're doing your best, right? Like you're a 27 year old living with your grandmother. Like, come on, like I got to give you some credit there. Right. And then, and then we give that credit, we clear up the expectations and then, and then accountability, right? Then we got to follow through what we say we're going to do.

I think those three conversations are what's important. I use my son's example, but that resonates with manufacturing owners who are the main people I'm talking to because I look at manufacturing is like a chocolate fountain. Everybody on this listing can think about fondue, right? And you think about a nice fondue and you've got some pineapple or banana, but no matter where you dip it in that fountain, the chocolate tastes about the same, right? So the chocolate's only as good as coming out of the top. So that's why I focus a lot of time with the top leadership because those behaviors

Trevor (08:40.025)
trickle down the organization. And so if we can do better at the top as the father of our family, as the general manager, the owner of a manufacturing plant, it'll trickle down and everyone will be better because of it. So I think that's where this book's written for, know, and my goal, right, is that manufacturing can be a place that Travis and the status kids, hey, yeah, you know, maybe manufacturing would be a good career.

But we want to know that it's a place where we can grow, that we can work together, that we're going to want to stick around and it's safe.

Dr. Travis Parry (09:17.249)
Yeah. Hey, well, I mean, you know, manufacturing and you know, their concerns, it sounds like you've, done a lot of work here. You've, you have a specialty and yeah, I mean, exactly. I've got, I've got kids that are, you know, adults now and they're looking at what do they do for work? And they may have a career ambition, but I, you know, I know one of them is, is right now, at least short-term he's, he's working in manufacturing so that he can.

You know, get, get to the, you know, the dental job and, know, so I think there's, there's some, there's absolutely some concerns for families, but also for these business owners who are, are really focused in on their team, because their team is the business, right? This is their business. that's, that's wonderful that you're able to help them. You know, you dropped some nuggets there that was.

Trevor (10:02.842)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Dr. Travis Parry (10:14.445)
It's more kind of in the framework that I want to dive into. But you know, those those things you mentioned, accountability, you know, perception, these are universal for any business owner. So while you speak to, you know, manufacturing business owners, probably not a whole lot in my audience are manufacturing business owners. That said, why bring Trevor on? Because of his experience and his ability to make these.

principles known as he speaks as he writes it's so important for us as we're building our businesses to think about our own teams at home and at work and a little plug for my book Mary and grow rich if you haven't picked it up Mary and grow rich book.com I talk about this this is this is the next level this is how you grow so I think your our conversation is crucial because you know Mary and grow rich yes that's great focus on your relationship

Trevor (11:04.633)
Mm.

Dr. Travis Parry (11:13.025)
However, if you're not showing up at the recitals, at the practices, and you're on the laptop, and you're being that, the example at home, like you were just talking about, how is that affecting your family? But if you're disconnected at work because of family issues, which we all have them, welcome to life. This is Earth. Here we go. This is humanity, right? This is the experience. Embrace it.

Trevor (11:34.679)
Mm-hmm. do we? This is the integration.

Dr. Travis Parry (11:43.214)
But if we're disconnected at work because we have all these things happening at home, how are we showing up as leaders in our work to our industry, to whoever is our clients, our teammates? So this is just vital because you can grow with your team at work and you can grow at home at the same time. I am 100 %

a believer that this is absolutely possible. I've interviewed so many business owners on this and it is about, you know, making the mindset shift. So let's talk about your framework for making teams really, you know, really powerfully work together here. Maybe unpack some of those principles that you talked about. What, is it that you teach these business owners that have been super impactful for them?

Trevor (12:36.524)
Yeah, you know, the one that we start with is just how we show up because that impacts on how people feel and how we make people feel determines the extent of which they can engage with you and your company. And we underestimate the impact of our words, right? And our facial expressions and our timing. And we get focused on what we want to communicate.

and we lose sight of what we want them to experience and receive. And just like our friend A.J. Harper talks about, know, a book is not about someone, it's for someone. But when you speak, you already know lot of what's going to come out of your mouth. So it's not for you, right? It's for somebody else. Maybe you're talking through something. But usually if we can start shifting that mindset of like, how am I making that person feel? Like the one person, know, he said something pretty abrupt.

his maintenance manager, I'm kind of like, what's that all about? And he's like, well, you know, he's got some performance issues. I said, huh, with what you said there, he might feel like he's going get fired. And he's kind of like, well, good, because, you know, I'll keep him on his toes. I said, hold on a minute. No, like it won't. It'll actually retract him from his creativity, put him into a fear based. And you're intentionally doing that thinking you're going to get a positive outcome.

So it's just, it's, but when we're in the moment, we're not thinking about that, right? We're just, we want to push harder and we want to drive and want to get the results, but then people don't stick around and they don't work together and you're not getting creative ideas and people aren't taking risks. And so it's just really kind of like, Hey, ask the question, right? Like, you know, how, if you don't, if you don't think it's landing, like how's this going? Like, how's this conversation going?

Like, I helping you right now or I'm just irritating you? Like, how are you going to walk away from this conversation? We need to make a shift here. Because I know sometimes this vein in Trevor's head will sometimes pop up when I get really excited. And that's probably not helpful to you. So let's talk about what's going to help you in this situation. So that's kind of like, that's why I got rid behind me, right? What are your intentions versus people's perceptions? Because I might just say, hey, listen, I'm intending

Trevor (15:01.56)
you know, to just learn more about what were you thinking when that happened. The way you're answering, it's like maybe I'm making you feel like you feel threatened. And if that's the way you feel, let's talk about that first, because I don't want you to feel that way.

Dr. Travis Parry (15:17.505)
Well said, well said. just showing up just the, what, what a coach of mine a long time ago, Doug Carter used to say is your way of being your way of being is, what's what comes across, right? So if your way of being is, you know, something that involves like, what, is your intention versus what's perceived then obviously.

that can be the disconnect that clearly there's a disconnect between those two paradigms. Like I wanted to perform, but I'm gonna use fear. So what would you say is the one thing in this framework that would help business owners the most? they could focus on one principle that would allow them to change their way of being, change the way that they show up.

Trevor (15:51.296)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (16:14.029)
What have you found and what do you teach, what do you coach is the most important principle about all of that.

Trevor (16:20.714)
If you're listening and you got a team, you probably chose that team, right? Probably chose the people that are working for you. So I think if, if anything, if we can just kind of remember that and, I got the heroic t-shirt on. I showed you earlier, Travis, before the show started and it says, yes. And right. Then that's kind of like the, in a conversation of speaking, we say yes. And to keep the conversation going. And so my t-shirt is going to say, be curious.

Because if you remember that the people that work for you are your people that you're responsible for, and something doesn't go right, huh, I know that's a good person. And I've seen good behavior, right? I've seen good habits. I wonder what else could be going on, right? And just like what's beneath that problem on the surface. So you might be seeing a late report.

you might be saying a deliverable to one of your clients that didn't get delivered the way you expected. But if we kind of shift our framework of like, well, why wasn't it done to like, huh, that's funny because Travis is a great dude and that's not like him. So I wonder what else is going on with Travis that would cause that to happen. And that whole curiosity, that attitude is kind of that foundation. So when I'm just talking to people, it's just kind of like when you feel that frustration,

It's just like take a breath, think about that person and what else could be going on.

Dr. Travis Parry (17:52.002)
Not only is this good advice, this is good psychology, Trevor. You and I were talking before about my deep dive into psychology lately and how that's really been helpful. I've published several podcasts about this and, and, getting to a level three, a level four awareness of, of other people and, kind of, you know, getting into their subconscious. One of the key aspects to that actually is curiosity.

Trevor (18:19.339)
Hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (18:21.309)
And as someone who has interviewed thousands of individuals, if I showed up with, you know, boring, tired face and like, okay, tell me about your business, Trevor, what's going on in life? Like, okay, I've heard it all. Like the way that that comes across is absolutely horrible. Right? Nobody's going to care. But if I'm like, Trevor's the most exciting person in my life.

Trevor (18:34.871)
you

Trevor (18:43.093)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (18:50.325)
And I am so curious about his insights and, and what he's doing. Then the whole, the whole messaging changes. Right. And people feel that they feel that, versus, you know, a managerial type of approach of push them down so that they'll, you know, they, you know, work really hard. I love that you're being curious and I want that t-shirt. That sounds awesome.

Trevor (19:18.665)
I definitely have to send you one.

Dr. Travis Parry (19:19.265)
Like be curious, because that is definitely a reminder. Because as soon as we start telling people what to do, they already know what they need to do. Like most people, unless they're really, really say, well, I don't know what I need to do. Well, then you can teach them. But most people know what they need to do. They just are unsure. They're afraid. They have guilt. They are shamed.

Trevor (19:23.04)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (19:48.801)
They're feeling blamed. They don't feel worthy. They don't have the motivation to do it. A lot of it is these negative emotions. So if you can get super curious, you can help them uncover what emotion is keeping them from taking that action. And you're on my brace. The first thing I thought of is like, when you get curious, maybe there was a death in the family. Maybe you don't even know. Maybe his wife kicked him out.

Trevor (20:18.538)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (20:18.592)
Maybe his daughter had a really bad day and she was bullied at school and that's the only thing he can think about right now. You know, and as a dad, like what am I gonna do about this, right? And so we don't know what's going on in people's lives, but typically what I've found is you're exactly right. When you get really curious, you can get deep really quick, but you can't show up.

Trevor (20:24.928)
Yeah.

Trevor (20:28.769)
Yeah.

Trevor (20:39.831)
Hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (20:45.256)
expecting them to tell you that without making them the most curious person in the world. So I love this. How does one and how do you teach? How does one develop that curiosity for people like you and me? Maybe it's something to just like, yeah, we were born with it. No, I would say no, I have to develop that. Like I've had to develop it. So for you, like how do you tell business leaders to develop that curiosity?

Trevor (21:07.415)
Definitely not.

Trevor (21:13.483)
Yeah, I think it's just when we step back and look at what's the outcome we're really looking for, right? Like if we go to what's the outcome, what's your purpose, you know, what's your why and for your business, right? Like what's that coming out? And then is your behavior serving that purpose? Right? So like, I've got lots of stories, Travis, where Trevor was not making good choices in how he showed up.

right? sometimes I was just mimicking behaviors of my bosses. They put more pressure on me, I put more pressure on them. I thought that was what I was supposed to do. I didn't have other tools. And I stopped. So I came in curious. And I lost some of that curiosity. Right? Because then I started to fall into just the system, right? Of just accountability without worrying how we showed up, or making expectations clear. Just and this is where I'll think a little bit different.

on what you just said earlier when we talked about, you know, in general, people know their job. Well, I can tell you that maybe that's something that you should question. Do they know their job in the fact of what you expect? Because that's our second gap is the expectation gap. Because I've gone into these larger companies and which are usually like probably a lot of your listeners are smaller companies. I can tell you right now, listener, you're probably doing a much better job than a lot of the corporations.

That's the advantage we have as smaller business owners is because we can have those conversations of like, if you think they should just know, that's the moment. Like, okay, that's a trigger. That thought just came in my head. These thoughts are okay, as long as we don't let them come over our mouth. So if we're thinking, well, Travis should just know this. And if I can just stop and think, what does good look like to Travis? Because if I think this job is done,

when it turns on and it runs. And if that's what the person installing it or whatever is working on it. And then they're done. But my expectation is the floor is clean. You know, the boxes are put away, things are labeled. That's what done looks like to me. So instead of getting upset, because I hear senior leaders or owners and they'll say, well, people just want more clarity. You know, they just they're just not listening. I don't know.

Trevor (23:31.679)
Because usually when I get the two people in the room and I'll say Travis, you know, what could look what does done look like to you? What does good look like and over here Trevor? Okay. So what about you? What did you think that looked like? okay. Well, that's what you were thinking I can do that and usually people want to meet your expectations boss

So yeah, when we have that conversation, it's like, okay, well now it's just you and me having a conversation and then the problem's over here. We're not arguing person to person. We're just talking about what we want as this outcome.

Dr. Travis Parry (24:04.116)
Yeah. So leading curiosity into what is it that you're expecting kind of an in intra respective look at action with your team, seems to be kind of this natural flow of where we go next. how does one get really clear about that? mean, I've heard lots of systems around this of like having, you know, really

clear handbooks or really clear, manuals or whatever that might be, trainings, constant training. what, what do you suggest is maybe that next step for, for corporations or for business owners, right? What's that next step to make these expectations understood really clear so that there, there is a place for them to, to, you know, fall back on.

Trevor (24:51.734)
Mm-hmm.

Trevor (25:02.568)
You're singing some of the language of manufacturing. We like standard work, like the military, right? We like clear procedures. Yeah, I mean, we all like that. Until we start using that as an excuse, right? Where it's kind of like, well, they signed off on it. They signed off on those standard operating procedures. We should write them up now because they didn't follow it. It's kind of like, hold on, time out here. So we're still people.

Dr. Travis Parry (25:08.438)
Standard operating procedures, right? Yeah.

Trevor (25:31.614)
And even if it's on a document, we may interpret things a little bit differently. Now, if there's things that you can do in your business, which are standard, like, hey, this is the form. This is how I want to see the form. And when our clients fill it out, it's got to be filled out this way. And this is what good looks like. OK, those are some stuff. I mean, those are some items that we can get more specific on. But we can't skip the conversation, Travis. Right. We're still, like you said, we're still people. We still have perceptions. We still have like, you know,

I learned from you on like, you know, maybe previous thoughts that maybe hold us back from thinking of what we're capable of. You know, does Travis have the confidence? Like, does he think that he can actually do this? Because I want to have that conversation with him because even though that expectation is there. So I think it's just, you know, it's good to have that written baseline, but it doesn't take the place of a conversation around clarity, right? About just

Dr. Travis Parry (26:28.351)
Hmm.

Trevor (26:28.854)
know, what does good look like and having that? Like there's a friend of mine, an author, Monica Rothgarry, and she wrote a book. She was an executive at Taco Bell, but she started her, she was in the military and then she started running stores, Taco Bell stores and progressed to the organization. like she has a great story about like cleaning green onions, right? Like green onions are really hard to clean and they actually took it off the menu at Taco Bell.

Dr. Travis Parry (26:52.896)
Nah.

Trevor (26:59.156)
because of just this clarity around what does a clean green onion look like. Because depending on how your house is clean versus mine, we can have different ideas of clean. So we still need to have conversations and like good visuals. And so, I mean, there's just so many different examples, but like I think about her example there because she realized that that person's, you know, was a little bit different on their thoughts around what good looked like. But once they had the conversation, they went through it together, it's okay.

Dr. Travis Parry (27:24.234)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (27:28.137)
Yeah, this is great. because the, ongoing training, you know, if we just have a manual or a standard operating procedure guide, handbook, whatever you want to call it. but there's never a conversation between those employees. Then over time it could break down the, know, things could go awry and now you don't have clean green onions, which is a great example of this. I'm big on.

this conversation idea and I tell a lot of my clients like, great. Now you've got a standard operating procedure, you're delegating to people. How often are you communicating with them? How often are you having these conversations? And I kind of, I have a standard rule. If you're gonna meet daily, make it a five, 10 minute meeting. If you're gonna meet weekly, okay, maybe it's half hour or hour-ish. If you're gonna meet monthly, it's gonna be.

Trevor (28:18.335)
Yes!

Dr. Travis Parry (28:26.271)
two or three hours, right? Cause you've got to play catch up with a lot of things. So the more that you meet, the more that it's actually a productive meeting, very specific on this is what we're going to do. We're going to talk about this case. Right? So I'm with you. Like this is, this lines up with so much of, of what I teach business owners about how they interact. because you know, I, I'm a big focus on like do what's in your wheelhouse, do it better than anybody else and then delegate.

Trevor (28:34.26)
Yes.

Dr. Travis Parry (28:53.737)
or automate or even delete everything else that doesn't need to be done. But if you're delegating out to a human, there's, there's always going to be mistakes. There's always going be misunderstanding. There's always going to be perceptions and expectations that aren't, that aren't met. So we've got to keep training. have to keep meeting. We have to keep that contact with our team members. and so yeah, that's kind of a call out. Like if you're not doing this, if you're not having these conversations,

Trevor (29:01.738)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (29:21.803)
I 100 % recommend exactly what Trevor is saying to do and to keep that communication working. I love this conversation, my friend, and I know we could be doing this for hours and hours. I know you've got a new book coming out that goes into more detail about all of this. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about the book and where I know it's in process, it's in progress, but do you have a way that they can connect with you so they can follow along with your journey here?

Trevor (29:32.022)
You

Trevor (29:43.55)
Mm-hmm.

Trevor (29:49.738)
Yeah, I'm on YouTube, I'm on LinkedIn, and I got the podcast, but I do have a newsletter. It is specific to manufacturing, but I'm going to have a different one that's going to just tie into the book more that people are just more interested in that. But really it's, you know, that third gap is accountability. And if you've done everything that we've done today, I believe that accountability builds trust. And when we're transparent and we've got good expectations,

and that we're curious about how we're showing up. Running your business gets to be more enjoyable, collaborative, and it's just, this is productive, right? Like it's like, we've got these outside life, we've got our business, and we can just kind of follow those models. It just makes all the difference. So yeah, and I appreciate that, Travis, of like, the model can work for anybody.

Just most of my stories are more manufacturing, but that's why I talk a lot about my son and my daughter, because I've made a lot of mistakes as a dad and I've made a lot of behaviour corrections to be better than I was before. And that's, you know, between that and good faith and, you know, our belief in a higher power and doing meditation and taking care of ourselves, you know, like you talk about spiritually and...

Dr. Travis Parry (30:54.57)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (31:10.717)
Absolutely.

Trevor (31:17.937)
physically and emotionally, you're going to have a great business. And now I appreciate that.

Dr. Travis Parry (31:24.553)
Yeah. Well, thank you. And I appreciate you throwing in the accountability concept and talking about it as it, you know, we could again, spend hours just on that point, but yeah, connect with Trevor. and you know, I'd love to see that newsletter that's focused on the book as it's coming out and watch your YouTube. And I know we're connected on LinkedIn as well. We connect and, and, and finding there on these social accounts, we'll, we'll have links to that down below. Trevor, before we go.

I'd like to add this into my podcast interviews now as a business owner who now trains other big corporations and you're training executives, you're training leaders. what have you learned about strong mental health and its corollary with, business health and, and even as you've been mentioning, your, ability to have great relationships.

Trevor (32:23.997)
Yeah, I think it kind of goes back to you were talking a little bit before on you're the same person all day long. Cause I get, you probably heard this where it's like, well I'm like that at work, but when I'm at home, I'm like this. Right. And, so I realized that that's, that's not true. You know, we're, we're the same spirit and soul all day long. And,

people really want to know who you are. Because some people are like, well, you know, I don't want everyone to get to know me. I'm not really social. It's not really about that. It's about just being kind because I think we're naturally kind. And then sometimes our behavior is just unkind because we're not present in the moment. So two of my biggest core values are like being present and then being authentic.

And like, so for the podcast today, like I had a little bit of buffer in between, you know, before our podcast, because like, I want to be totally present when I'm talking to Travis's audience in this, this privilege to be on your show. And, and I, and I don't think I, even today, I still struggle sometimes, but I try to create more margins of realizing that if I can step back off the dance floor, maybe off the shop floor, you know, and be on the balcony a little bit more, right. And kind of look at that, that higher level, like what's really important.

Am I focused on those little small problems? And when I do that, I'm usually not taking care of myself as much. I'm pretty good on my sleep. I get close to eight hours every night because I know that that's got to happen. My eating is probably better than it's ever been. then exercise is really good. But I think what I still need to work on is just having times where I'm not doing anything. You know, it's just where I go for a walk and not with a phone.

You know, like, so I think that's that's the area that I still got to work on. And these other anchors are good, but it's a journey, right, Travis? Like, aren't we all kind of just working on it?

Dr. Travis Parry (34:24.25)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, having that white space on your calendar to prepare having the time to meditate and pray, to be really clear with your values. Like that's, mean, you're, you're. Yeah. You're, you're knocking it out of the park at this point, buddy. I mean, that my first book is all about this. Like how, how do we have greater balance? Well, it's a psychological journey and a spiritual journey.

so most of us have some kind of limiting beliefs and thoughts and fears that we're struggling with subconsciously that we need to really clear out and absolutely meditation prayer can be a very great help to all this. so I appreciate being real. Appreciate you showing up authentic. I appreciate your stories, your help. anything last you'd like to leave with the audience before we wrap up today.

Trevor (35:18.425)
Just, know, next time you get into that situation where you feel that judgment mind coming up, just take that breath. Be curious.

Dr. Travis Parry (35:27.274)
Be curious. I love it. So good to have you on the show, Trevor. You knocked it out of the park. I love these conversations and I'm looking forward to your book coming out soon enough for us to jump on that and follow along with your journey. So definitely do that. Follow Trevor Blondeale wherever you want. There are YouTube, LinkedIn, his newsletter, et cetera. And we'll definitely be in touch. Trevor, thank you for being on the show.

And as always, you're, you're lighten it up. You're inspiring people to be better. So thank you. Thank you for, being here, buddy.

Trevor (36:03.894)
Thanks for having me.

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